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Referendum Fails, New Options Eyed for Fields

School board members and residents say they will consider alternative ways to improve athletic field conditions at the town's high schools.

 

When the vote counts for the Parsippany Board of Education fields referendum started coming after the polls closed at 9 p.m. Tuesday, the will of the people became quite clear very quickly: Most voters said no. And school board members and citizens in attendance, whatever their particular view on the matter, appeared shocked.

The first count shown was for Central Middle School: The yes votes were 119, the no votes 218.

And then Intervale School: 115 yes, 227 no.

"This doesn't look good," said a voice that sailed ominously through the meeting room at the BOE building.

For supporters, the news wasn't good. In the final unofficial count, the opposition had it: 2,373 to 1,745.

"The people have spoken," said board member Anthony Mancuso. "They said that at this time, this wasn't a project that they wanted to fund due to the economic restraints, and I respect that. The taxpayers have every right to feel that way."

He added, however, that he wishes that they had felt differently.

"To do a capital project of this magnitude in today's world costs a lot of money," he said. "Maybe it was too ambitious to do two schools at the same time, but we believed in in parity between the two schools and that's why we approached it this way."

Mancuso said that a future school board will have to decide if it wants to approach another facilities upgrade referendum.

"As for now, the board will do its best within its budget constraints to give our students the best that we can," he said, noting the limited funds for field maintenance in the schools budget and the serious flaws inherent in the playing fields of Parsippany and Parsippany Hills high schools.

Mancuso also said that there could be a "Plan B—if the town is willing to sit down with the board to truly look at possibly converting or renovating Jannarone Park to handle high school football."

Board member Fran Orthwein did not hide her disappointment.

"This was a missed opportunity for the community to make a lasting, positive improvement, and that's a shame," she said, chalking up the decisive loss to "a lot of misconceptions and misleading rumors that may have influenced people."

She said she understood that people could be wary of a tax hike.

"But this really could have been an asset to our community, an asset to their home values, and most importantly, for all of Parsippany's children, families, everyone. I'm sorry it didn't pass."

"I really don't know what to say," said resident Michael Espejo, who lives near Par Hills High and was not a referendum supporter. "I still think the democratic process failed."

Espejo was referring to the fact that some voters from the Brooklawn Drive and Powder Mill neighborhood—Parsippany areas served by the Morris Plains post office—never received either the sample ballot mailed out on Jan. 3, according to the Morris County clerk's office, or a referendum information card sent out by the Board of Education.

Kristen Ritter, a neighbor of Espejo's and a Republican Municipal Committee member, echoed his concerns.

"I'm still [upset] that some people didn't get their [sample] ballots," she said. "Win or lose, that doesn't go away. This is a democracy. Everybody has the right to be informed and to make an informed vote.

"Frankly, I'm surprised the turnout was so high."

Many in the township feared the combination of a perceived lack of information among voters, the January date and the frigid temperatures would keep voter turnout low, but traffic started brisk and remained so throughout the voting period, according to Municipal Clerk Yancy Wazirmas. Board member Mancuso even noted that the turnout was about the size of the usual school board election, which up until last year took place in April.

Ritter said she would continue her mission to find out why the ballots were not delivered.

She added that the need for fields is understood by most of the community, even if the majority of Tuesday's voters did not support the board's plan.

"There are a lot of people willing to work with the board to figure out a solution for the kids," Ritter said. "It may not be a deluxe solution with $7.7 million worth of stuff, but there may be a way to activate motivated people to come up with a way to make safe playing fields."

Resident and former BOE member Robert Crawford said the resounding no vote is the result of citizens' dissatisfaction with the school board, which he said has been less than open with citizens.

"This vote sends a clear message to all of Parsippany's elected officials on the BOE and in the mayor's office and the Town Council that Parsippany residents deserve and expect to be informed and trusted to make the right decision," he said. "Failure to trust the voters with the truth is and will be a losing proposition."

School Board President Susy Golderer, who voiced concerns over the price and scope of the project during the planning stages, said she was surprised by Tuesday's vote.

"I'm stunned," she said. "I did not expect this. I honestly thought it was going to pass."

She said the community wanted an opportunity to decide and did so. 

"Now we have to work within the parameters that we have," she said. "The board has to sit down and go over all the possible avenues to bring our fields up to standards. That's what the community is expecting of us."

And as president, Golderer said she will ensure that the process is a transparent one that looks at all alternatives, including accepting donations from interested residents and area businesses and corporations that want fields that can "bring pride to Parsippany."

"I want these fields, not just for the kids, but for all of us, so we can have pride in what we have," she said. "We're going to make this happen."

And Golderer offered comfort to those feeling defeated.

"I know there are disappointed people who worked really hard to put this vote in front of the community," she told Patch. "I truly hope that they do not allow this to undermine their spirit.

"I hope that they come forward and use the same resources to see if we can make this happen, but this time with private donations. I know that all the people of Parsippany want our town and our schools to be held to the highest stature possible." 

Related Topics: Board of Education, Elections, Schools, fields of dreams, and fields referendum

Roman Hoshowsky

12:59 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The referendum was defeated because it was too expensive, and the Administration did little to allay the fears of those who live near the two High Schools. There was no effort to raise money through other means. Their first and only solution was to raise taxes. That's what they're good at. Now it's time for this community to pull together and look at other options.

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Peter

10:22 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The referendum was defeated by a generation of residents that enjoyed new schools and fields all payed for by the generation before them. I sincerely hope the three hundred dollars you will save next year will make as much difference in your lives as it would have for thousands of kids in this town. And no I do not have a child in this school system , maybe we should put the countless discounts given to seniors up for a general vote.

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Chris

10:33 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Actually, Peter, you said it. In this country, we give HUGE tax breaks for seniors. In my eyes, the older people get everything and pay for nothing. While the younger generations are stuck with no help and a huge burden on their shoulders. We have to pay for their health care, we have to pay for their social security, we have to pay their pensions and for their retirement.....

And what do the kids get in return from the older generation... nothing, except the older generations debt and bills.

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Tushar R

11:17 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Chris, your argument is very off point. All the issues you brought forward are handled on a state or nationwide level, not on the town level. Seniors pay the same in taxes to the town as would a person of a much younger age who is similarly situated.

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Chris

11:30 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Its not off point as to what Peter was saying. I was responding to his post.

But, to keep on point with the article, my point was that I feel for the kids. Its unfortunate that they older generation is not giving the younger generation the same benefits and privileges that other kids have in the rest of Morris County.

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Jeff

12:49 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Your point is ridiculous. First - you make an assumption as to how certain demographics are voting. This is not based on fact -- this is based on your opinion. Second -- this was based on a vote -- there was ample opportunity for more to vote and to have this put thru. We have over 7000 students. There is no reason whatsoever that if the parents wanted it that they couldn't have voted this thru. Regardless -- if it was apathy or laziness -- not enough voted for it and it failed. Quit blaming seniors.

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Peter

9:45 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

if you asked for a public referendum on whether we should build a senior center and it would cost tax dollars, it would be defeated. It is our duty to pay it forward and provide kids with the best school experience as our parents did for us, just as we need to support and provide our seniors with the best facilities we can. It should never have been voted on. people who were on this board in the last decade and responsible for the lack of maintenance now stand up and call for a vote . I would bet the vast majority of no votes came from people with no kids in the system voting against raising taxes. now they all cry its not about the kids...guess what you are dead wrong , blaming the process does not help the kids one bit. A convenient excuse!

Scott Dean

4:03 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The Mayor Fubarred this for so many from the very beginning!!
The fields can and will be fixed I believe less the photo op of for 5 guys with hard hats and gold shovels.

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gina s.

6:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I am for the new fields. However, the people have spoken so hunker down and find a reasonable, cost effective maintenance plan. Perhaps the board will realize that we need a maintenance program for our schools. They continue to do nothing and then in 20 years they just throw it all away and but new. Treat the schools like you would your own home and perform the normal maintenance and upkeep so things last. That's the bigger problem. Years ago I questioned the board when they were talking about a new roof at the high. The roof had been leaking since I was a student there 20 years earlier. Yet they never fixed it...they just put a new one. That made sense. I really hope this is a wake up call to the board that they must do a much better job at maintaining what we already have. And by the way, when things do need to be repaired or replaced why are we always using these ridiculously overpriced school contractors when I am sure a local firm would be able to do the job for a third of the price. How about making the process to bid easier so you will get more bids and can shop for a better price. When the floor was one at one of the schools, it cost $500,000. I am sure a local floor guy could have done it for $100,000. please board members, the people have spoken and now it's your turn to do what they elected you to do.

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VietNam Vet

2:42 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Gina, you are so right. This old board never knew what maintenance is all about. If you want something to last, then you budget for it and take care of it just like you would do of your homes, but this town doesn't know how to do that kind of thing. The taxpayers of the town has spoken and said we are tired of the higher taxes just to pay for something that in 10 years will look just as bad as these fields. They just wanted you to keep paying and could care less how you felt, if you didn't like it, then go to another town where you could afford to live the way you want.
This town forgets that most of these people help build this town to something they thought at the time they could be proud of, then some people now tell them to get out if you can't afford it. This old board was all about raising taxes and spending our hard earned money, well not anymore. They now need to start taking care of what they have if you want it to look good.

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Michael Brancato

8:34 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Well, Mr. Brown, which is it? Was the old board about spending our money or did they fail to maintain the fields? Because maintaining the fields COSTS MONEY. If the Board had the money in those years, what were they spending it on? Oh, wait, they didn't have the money because the school budget was almost never approved by the voters and then eviscerated by the council. Maybe if the taxpayers hadn't been so shortsighted they might have realized that the money allocated for fields maintenance would have prevented such a large replacement cost in the future. You're paying for the myopia of people who were too worried about their current situation to realize that they were creating more expense for themselves in the future. Are you familiar with the story of the Pied Piper, Mr. Brown? This is a classic example of it, and now it's time to pay the piper. If you think your taxes are not going up to pay for these fields, you're only fooling yourself. The difference is that now we will get much less value for our money.

I find the selective memory of our senior citizens, especially you, Mr. Brown, to be fascinating. The fact that someone paid to put YOUR children through school seems completely lost on you when it's time to pay for the next generation and the generation after that to be educated. Perhaps it is time for you to move on to Florida if paying for children's education is really that much of a burden for you.

Steve

6:39 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

This result disgusts me. It was fascinating to see all the seniors coming out in waves to once again vote down any project that will better our schools. 1700 yes votes? Where were all the parents of school aged kids? I certainly hope there isn't yet one more injury on these fields that are in such disrepair.

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Harland

8:05 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Steve,
The BOE and local sports organizations did everything they could to stack the deck in favor of this project, so don't blame the "seniors" for voting this down.

Here are the strategies they used: they scheduled the vote outside of the normal election cycle to ensure only "motivated" voters would go out of their way to vote on this, the BOE used the emergency phone system to "remind" all the school parents to come out and vote (I'm sure none of the seniors got that reminder phone call), sports organizations used their mailing lists to rally support and remind the "sports parents" to vote, ballots were sent out late knowing that there was no mail delivery the day before the vote, and the polls operated at a reduced schedule (2pm-9pm) and conveniently opened just as parents were picking their kids up from school.

So focus your disgust on the BOE and not the seniors. By the way, I'm not a senior, and I voted against the project.

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Steve

8:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Harland-My disgust is directed at the apathy in this town from the people who should have come out in droves last night to support a schools project that would benefit our kids. My comment on the seniors was simply directed at the fact that whenever there is a school project up for referendum the seniors get out their voters and they overwhelmingly vote against it...while those of us with kids in the schools (or with kids that will be in the schools) can't be bothered getting out to vote. No secret meetings, they just get out their voters.

Don't get me started on the BOE...This was a lost opportunity to provide fields that are safer and easier to maintain than the crap these kids have now...

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Kenneth Kaplan

10:04 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I agree with Harland that this Special Election was a sneak attack that backfired. A bond issue of this magnitude should never have been slated for a vote on a day that the vast majority of people would not expect an election to occur. I am a political activist and almost forgot the vote was yesterday (a timely post from Parsippany Patch reminded me). And yes, Steve, it is a disgrace that turnout is often low, even for elections held in their proper season. Don't you just hate it when non-voters gripe about the results of elections!

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Carl B

1:35 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Harland, you are right. The BOE and the Mayor intended to stack the deck against the voters.. No doubt, the reason for this special election rather than the November general election. I fought many years to have school elections in November when more voters are available to vote. It took a lot of years to get that change. Think about it. Why weren't the field upgrades placed as a question in the November election? Because they knew it did not have a chance to pass. So it was done as an end-run as you so aptly put it. As you know school budgets and capital projects were always voted in April with no more than a 12 to 15 percent electorate casting votes. But, this special election backfired because the residents have had enough of rampant tax increases. The Board must do a better job controlling costs. The Mayor and council also should take notice.

Carol M.

7:34 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

This is very disappointing news to wake up to this morning. Sadly, whats even more disappointing is that there may be people out there like Mr Crawford who think that sending some sort of convoluted message to the BOE via sacrificing a project that was good for our children is a noble position to have. Thankfully I think those of us who live in a world where reason and rationale rule believe that the message was pretty straight forward. No, the voters do not want to spend additional tax dollars to improve the fields. I believe most can respect that honest and transparent message; anything other then that is alien to the sane mind.

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Nancy Choffo

7:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I would love to have new fields at both schools but I don't think people trust this Board to do the right thing. They proved that when they skipped over Alison Cogan and ignored the voters. Now lets see what they will do.

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Harland

8:20 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Nancy,
I agree. I voted against the project, not because I don't want better facilities at our schools (I do), but because I have no confidence in this BOE. By their own admission, the fields are in a state of disrepair, yet THEY were responsible for ensuring the fields are maintained properly. Why would we entrust the BOE to run this project efficiently and effectively when they've already demonstrated that they aren't capable of caring for the facilities already entrusted to them?

There is an excellent article in Parsippany Life that compares Parsippany's turf project to Montville's. In truth, Montville's approach wasn't so different than the path we're taking. Montville first tried to get the taxpayers to foot the entire bill, and the voters rejected it (that's the stage we're at now). Afterwards, they got "creative", and finally managed to fund the project by soliciting endorsements from local businesses. Hopefully, Parsippany will now move to the "creative" phase and find a way to achieve the desired improvements in a reasonable, cost-effective manner. This can be done through commercial endoresement deals, assessing sports participants with a "participation fee", reducing the scope of the project, etc.

Here's a link to the article:
http://www.northjersey.com/news/187069181_The_best_of_plans_for_Montville__the_worst_of_plans_for_Parsippany.html

Scott Dean

7:41 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

In a secret meeting held behind closed doors the elderly and Nimba groups gathered to discuss a pre determined vote out of Mancuso.

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MJ1

8:22 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

This town is starting to look and sound a lot like Nassau County Long Island. The sense of community pride is gone and it's all about what's best for ME. My oldest is 7 years away from entering high school but I voted yes because I want kids from other places to come in here and be envious of our town. Right now our fields are an embarrassment. Also, the people haven't spoken, they didn't bother to vote.

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Natalie Davis

1:23 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Sure they spoke. As Geddy Lee sang, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Inaction is an act.

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Chris

4:06 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

HA. Sorry Mike, that made me laugh. I used to live in Nassau County for about 5 years and Parsippany is NOTHING like Nassau County. Complete polar opposites. I have never ever seen such a sense of pride in one's town/community as I have seen in Long Island. NJ has ZERO sense of pride. Nobody cares about their neighbors or their town. Its really quite sad.

If my job allowed it, I would move back to Long Island in an instant. And, honestly, I am looking to move out of Parsippany because I don't like it here.

I will say... the things I do like about Pars is the cheap cheap rent and all the parks that Pars has. Like that beautiful field in Smith Field. I love playing soccer on that turf fields over there. I am glad you people didn't vote that one down!

Virginia Connolly

8:35 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I have been a Parsippany resident for over 30 years and I raised two sons who were athletes. I have never voted against a Board of Education budget; however I voted No yesterday because of the manner in which this proposal was presented beginning with the mayor's actions right up to the limited options for the voters to consider, as well as the scheduling of the vote for January when many retired people have left town for warmer locations. Please, let's show respect for the voter and be honest with future plans.

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Jonathan Hemenway

8:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

What do we do now people ?? We just allow our student athletes continue to play on sub par fields??? If we don't have turf we need to at least now turn our direction to working on these grass fields and properly maintain them throughout the year. All sports will not be able to use the fields and we need to look at using other town fields more to support our towns sports. We need another plan of direction and not just let this go to the wayside.

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Michael Brancato

8:43 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I have to say I hope the people who fought so fervently against this referendum will put the same time and effort into finding other ways to fund the repairs of these fields. I fear that the taxpayers have stepped over a dollar to pick up a dime here; that we've rejected a small long term tax increase in favor of much larger tax increases to complete these repairs, which need to happen no matter how they're funded. Yes, you have sent a message to the Board of Education: that you prefer they do these things through budget increases instead of with the input of the voters.

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Ortley

8:45 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

cut costs somewhere else to do it.....we pay enough taxes already

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Bob Crawford

9:02 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Michael
Last August when the BOE decided to retain control over the High School fields many of us who had urged that course of action offered to work with the BOE to explore alternative solutions to the problem. We were never asked to do so as the BOE decided to pursue its own course which was soundly rejected yesterday. Perhaps it's time for the BOE to reconnect with the citzens of Parsippany. It could begin to do so by restoring our right to vote on the BOE's annual budget which would allow us all to have a direct say in how are tax dollars are spent. I think that's called democracy which seems to work when allowed to do so.

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Michael Brancato

9:59 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Mr. Crawford, all due respect, but there's nothing stopping you from starting a non profit and raising funds for these fields without the BOE's participation. Perhaps if, instead of complaining while waiting for the Board to act on your offer, you simply went out and began to secure funding, this referendum would not have even been necessary. This seems to be an important issue to you, yet you've been nothing but an albatross around the neck of anyone who proposes a solution.

Now, you were on the Board for several years, so you know better than I do, but when the voters had the chance to approve the budget, how often did that actually happen? How well did that work out for the taxpayers? Didn't we change the elections to November because not enough voters would turn out for the BOE elections in April and there was a very vocal group of voters who felt they weren't being represented on the Board? Democracy only works if people participate.

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Monica Sclafani

10:13 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Bob - There were a number of people who spoke up and said that they were in favor of moving the election process to November and, in doing so, the school budget would not need to be voted on as long as it remained within the cap. I also believe it was stated that we would be tied to this process for the next four years (3 years to go). I was one of those people in favor of it. As long as the Town Council can dictate how much money can be deducted from a failed school budget, I'll leave my vote where it stands. After all, look at how wisely the Town Council spends our tax dollars (where is that sarcasm font)! I also believe that we should have a direct say in how our tax dollars are spent. When we can vote on a town budget, perhaps I'll change my mind about a vote on the school budget. That's what I call democracy.

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steve revette

10:52 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Hey Monica since we want to be fair. Why don't we deduct the school budget to the same as the town budget? Since they may have to face cuts maybe both budget should be exactly the same? People vote on the school budget that's the way it works. You can't get tax relief from the municipal because there budget is 1 3rd of the what the schools is. Also if Our Board of education isn't spending the money on the kids and spending money on lawsuits because they didn't feel like waiting for Signed documentation it doesn't seem like the schools need the money.

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J

11:10 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

As is often the case Steve, you've made a ridiculous statement. We never hire new teachers? As a teacher in district myself, I can tell you that we are always hiring new teachers. Stop making inflammatory statements that you can't back up. That being said, I'd imagine that most people realize that your statement can't possibly be true; otherwise our schools would be filled with 50-60 year olds, and that's not the case. Even if other points you make may be valid, you weaken your entire argument by utilizing an exaggeration.

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steve revette

11:57 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Jessica what I meant was that we're not hiring more teachers. We're only replacing the ones that are retiring. If I'm wrong then I take it back. Also I had you as a teacher and you're an excellent one at that and You're absolutely one of if not the favorite teacher I've ever had. I don't know if I ever said this to you before but Thank You. Thank you for showing me the respect that I deserved when I was your student. Maybe a couple of your co workers can go to your class a learn a couple of things about respect.

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J

12:08 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I appreciate the thank you Steve, and I respect your viewpoints. My only problem, and this comes purely from a teaching standpoint since I often focus on how to persuade effectively, is that you can't be making statements that are untrue or open to misinterpretation; if you do that, the other points are weakened.

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steve revette

12:26 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Your 100 percent right. I'm actually going to delete what I wrote and appreciate you pointing it out to me. I apologize to readers of patch, The teachers, the Board of education and to the people of Parsippany for my mistake.

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steve revette

12:37 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Anyway let me try this again. Michael people wanted it to go both ways. People wanted it to stay and people wanted it to change. I was one of those who wanted to stay. I can understand reasons for keeping it and changing it. I understand that a lot of seniors vote down the budget I totally get that. But a lot of times the taxpayers really do feel insulted. In 2010 the Board gave Marlene a 10 thousand dollar raise. The budget got beat by 300 votes and 8 hundred thousand got cut. Giving Marlene the raise was the difference. Think of How many teachers we could have brought back with 8 hundred thousand.

Jonathan Hemenway

9:09 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The comments that people voted no yesterday and one of their reasons were the way the mayor proposed this plan on top of the way the BOE proposed their plan is two different things. The mayor made is proposal and it was turned down and he stepped away from it and let the BOE do it. If you voted no yesterday it was because of the BOE an not both. This can still be done. This can be done for less. Other avenues can be taken . I would be more then willing to help in this process and maybe that is what the BOE should do next time is to get more of a committee of the people to help in the process. Just an idea.

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friend of parsppany

9:24 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The town and BOE needs to put some more effort into this and think out of the box. I understand Morristown asked the Jets for money and they were given 1/4 of a million for their turf field. Just an example of being creative and asking for a donation. If all the parents of children came out and voted this would have been a slam dunk!

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Scott Dean

9:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Jonathan, I agreee and would like to offer my help as both myself and many that I know would be interested in solving the field issues with common sense and accountability. I will be attending next BOE meeting maybe we can talk about going forward.

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gary martin

9:43 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

PLEASE DO NOT SAY THIS VOTE WAS SAD OR A DISAPPOINTMENT. THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT TOWNSHIP HAVE VOTED AND ARE THE BEST, THIS IS WHY I LIVE HERE FOR APPROX. 40 YEARS. IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME, THE PEOPLE WANT US TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR THE FIELDS PROJECT. WHAT IS SAD TO ME IS THAT THE STUDENTS OF PARSIPPANY ARE BELOW COUNTY AVERAGE, WHEN ENTERING THE BIG WORLD. THE VOTE FOR THE FIELDS ARE NOT SAD OR BAD. IT IS TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWNSHIP TO PUT THEIR MINDS TOGETHER, AGAIN. WHEN WE ALL WORK AND SERVE TOGETHER, WE WILL GET THESE FIELDS BUILT. IN FACT THE PEOPLE, THIS COMMUNITY HAVE SOLVED MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS IN THE PAST. THIS VOTE IS NOT A SET BACK BUT AN EDUCATIONAL CHALLENGE, WHICH WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN EVERYDAY. BUT, MRS. GOLDERER , WE DO NOT NEED TO BRING PRIDE TO PARSIPPANY BECAUSE IT IS STILL HERE! MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT NAVY HAS BEAT ARMY 11 YEARS IN A ROW.

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Monica Sclafani

10:38 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Mr. Martin ~ the "people" wanted you to go in a different direction when you voted for Mr. DeIntines to fill the vacancy on the Board. Selective hearing?
(I know it's off topic.. oh, well).

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Beth Bluj

10:39 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Well sir, it's time for your and the rest of this board to come up with all these great alternatives that everyone seems to think are out there. In the mean time, the kids will continue to play on mud, rocks and dirt for yet another year while we continue to argue and find fault in anything presented.

And let's make no mistake - the majority of this BOE made it very clear they did not support this plan, is why this failed. Where was our Communications Committee? Where was our Fields and Grounds Committee? Anyone care to answer that?

We tried, we failed, and that's ok. I seriously hope there are those out there who are going to take another crack at this. To them, I say, "Good Luck" because you are going to need it.

Unfortunately, we are back to square one. Another year of nothing ahead. How truly sad.

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Nancy Choffo

4:12 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

You can't have it both ways Gary. YOU chose to ignore the people of this great township.YOU should have done the right thing and upheld over 5000 votes saying that Alison Cogan should be on the board. You are such a liar and this is why this Board is not trustworthy. YOU and your buddies are failing the children of Parsippany.

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gary martin

6:47 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Nancy, if you know me, I love this Township, My Country and United State Navy and Marine's. I love Children so much, I was a Shrine Clown for 2 Years. Do you know how hard that is to accomplish to help children at the highest level. You are right, I did not vote for the best person but the votes were not there. If you know me, I lost sleep over that vote because the Colonel was the best person not man!. It is a shame that only three, put their hat into the circle. When you stated my Buddies, you are so wrong with that statement. Go ask them all, I stand by myself there. As for the liar, that was a good one because people that know me are laughing, when they read this.
I have lied in my life at times to help people in time of great sorrow but not for myself.
Nancy, you are a person, I would like to talk to. You may teach me about myself. This is always a good thing to learn because it could make me a better person. I sorry that I made you think I am a lair to the public. I wish you the best in life and your family. Because we all know that family comes a far second in life. I still will do the best for the public and I will never lie to you.

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Michael Brancato

10:14 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

"You are right, I did not vote for the best person but the votes were not there"

Are you kidding me? He won by 1 vote. 1 VOTE! Your vote would have made a huge difference. I don't know who you think you're fooling, Mr. Martin, if this is in fact you and not some internet troll posting under your name, but that has got to be the most absolutely ridiculous thing said in the history of the internet (which, if you read the comments on this site on a regular basis, nevermind some other sites on the internet, is pretty ridiculous.) Do yourself a favor, if this is in fact the Gary Martin that sits on the Board of Education, and stop posting here. A wise man once said it is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Keep that in mind.

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steve revette

10:40 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

You needed 5 votes to get elected. I don't think there was a loss I think all 3 candidates were winners. If we don't like the job Mr. Deintinis is doing we have the choice to vote him out in November. It is not like He's all set for the next 3 years. He needs to win the up coming election in November. Just because they didn't pick your candidate doesn't mean it's the wrong thing. We'll find out in 9 months whether it is the wrong thing.

Pete

9:48 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Whatever did people DO, before artificial turf was invented ?

Oh... I know... they invented football and baseball... and played them on grass for more than a century.

This project deserved to fail.

BTW, if there really was a secret "seniors and Nimba" (by which I assume the writer meant "NIMBY") meetin, we never heard of it. And we surely qualify.

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gina s.

9:48 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

We have plenty of money in this budget for repairs and maintenance if they board were smart enough to start using local contractors and volunteers. It's time to look at local companies to get the work done. We don't need big contracting companies coming in from other states to charge us an arm and leg. We have the money to repair...let's get moving board of ed. Your ability to think outside the box and be creative and smart is why this was voted down. To be honest, the tax increase was extremely minimal....the people have decided enough is enough..when is it going to end....stop taking and asking for more and more and make do with what you have....we all have to do it in our everyday life, why can't you?

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Monica Sclafani

10:33 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Gina S. - the process isn't as simple as opening up the Yellow Pages. There are County and State regulations that must be followed when going out to bid on a project. And I'm sure that there are many who would like to volunteer their time, but that becomes an insurance issue and then there are those "pesky" background checks!

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Chris

10:38 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Monica is right. Basically, the government constantly makes all these new laws, rules and regulations that then it becomes too expensive to comply with the laws that nobody can afford to actually do anything.

Every day politicians make hundreds of new laws. But how many laws do they repeal because it becomes a burden to do business? Not one.

Chris

10:05 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Yeah, something has to be done with those fields/track. If not a new field, then def some major repairs. The way the field looks in those pictures... it looks like a perfect setting for a very expensive lawsuit just waiting to happen.

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Kevin

10:16 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I hope they look at making improvements to all of the school fields in town. From my observations, field conditions have really declined ever since the Town and BOE broke their arrangement to share the expense. Since BOE has been exclusively responsible, they have done nothing more than just mow the lawn. It is not enough when you think about the # of kids that use these fields for soccer, baseball, and other sports.

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Jonathan Hemenway

10:45 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Pete,
They also played with leather helmets too.. I don't know if you have heard, but football and baseball have evolved a little bit since they were invented. Yes both can be played on grass and God knows I loved getting dirty when I played, but these fields are in rough shape and need to be taken care of if we are going to continue to play these sports on them. Grass is fine with me but a field with huge mud strips down the middle with rocks in them are not safe for the athletes.

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Rob M

10:54 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Then why are we not holding are elected officials responsible for not properly maintaining the fields in the first place. Instead of that, people that supported the fields project let the BOE and Sietz get a pass and put all of your support behind a measue that corrected their mistakes and passed a $8 million bill onto the residents of Parisppany. People who voted NO are not to blame here. They did not do anything wrong. The BOE, who is responisble for the fields, is at fault. Blame them and demand that someone be held accountable.

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Jonathan Hemenway

11:22 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Rob M.
Dont think that you can put myself or others in a group that supports the BOE and Sietz. That is all YOUR opinion!!! I dont support our BOE!!! What I do support is that our student athletes get the proper fields that they deserve. The people who voted no are not to blame here that is correct. The reason for that is that they all had a choice to say no and they did just that. I do think that there can be a better way to do this still and at a lower cost. Just dont go making wild assumptions unless you are directing them at a certain person.

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Jonathan Hemenway

12:05 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Hey Rob,

You dont have to care!!! I coach at one of the schools that reciently got turf (Pequannock). We played on and praticed on dirt and rocks everyday. A good field makes a huge difference. Your price of 8 million is way about what was projected and above what was going to be used even in the project. To turf two fields is not going to be cheap anyway you look at it. To resod and add proper drainage to both fields and hire people to maintain it properly is going to cost money also. But, I guess we should just suck it up and just keep playing on poor fields.

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Robyn M.

11:18 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

This is not a rhetorical question. It is honest. Who is in charge of the fields currently? Who mows them, inspects them, adds grass seed, etc? And, who is in charge of how the fields are used - scheduling teams, etc? Why should it cost much more than what is currently budgeted to do what should be done every year - every year (just like we do at home), you need to get topsoil and fill in holes, get mulch and fix the plant beds, add grass seed to sparse areas, inspect fence and fix any holes, etc. Is there a company that does this, or does someone internally do this? I'm just trying to understand what resources are currently there.

Kathy Izzo

11:06 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Do the math.... the school population is 7362. A total of 4118 votes were cast with only 1745 voting yes. Obviously this prosopal was not well backed by the parents of school age children in the district. Do not blame the seniors for this.

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Lindsay

11:11 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I watched that video the supporters of the project posted. It's evident that the field has been neglected for years, which is a disgrace on the BOE and town. Who were we paying exactly to maintain these fields? Hate to think there was neglect done purposely so they could hopefully get this project passed!

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Maurice Saunders

11:55 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The thing that interesting in all this is that when the BOE presented budgets in past to the community at large, the voters routinely voted it down because they didn't want their taxes going up. So where do you think cuts were made? When state aid/funds were reduced in the past years...guess where more cuts were made again? Sometimes its not about students or this or that....in Parsippany it's routinely about what is this going to cost ME mentality.

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Monica Sclafani

7:45 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Excellent point, Mr. Saunders, but nobody wants to hear it or believe it.

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Robyn M.

8:18 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

How much do you pay in property taxes, Maurice? I'm just curious? If I am paying nearly $1,000 per month for a bi-level that was built in the 1960s, does that constitute great wealth? Because (and I've looked into this), for not much more, I could live in a smaller home, with similar taxes, in Mountain Lakes, and my kids could go to a much-better school. Or, we could move to Hanover Twp, which is also ranked better, with much lower property taxes.

Taxes keep going up. Lake Hiawatha still looks like sleazy, for the most part. Roads are shoddily repaired, the garbagemen routinely toss our garbage cans into the road and we return to find them lidless and half run-over. So, I can only think the money we pay mostly goes to the schools (and, it does). Since our educational standing is sliding downward, by all statistical means of assessment (I know people on here are going to poo poo it and say tests and statistics are unfair, etc, but how else do you compare apples to apples? By asking kids if they think they're smart?).

Should we pay more in taxes, or should we look at all of the waste that goes on and (in this case literally), clean up and fix up our town?

Concerned Parent

1:16 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Concerned and involved parent,
As a parent of three children, teacher for over 20 years, and a multi-sport volunteer coach for over 10 years I am, to say the least, extremely frustrated! 7362 student population, which means there are approximately 14,000 possible involved parental votes. Most children are involved in some type of sport and will be affected by this.
I propose that if at least one parent of every child that benefits from our school district does not vote in a Board election, the child be removed from the school district.
It's a wonderful thought to have a democracy, but if the very basis of democracy, the right to vote, is not utilized then other rights should be removed.
It is apparent that whatever Board member was committee chair responsible for maintaining our fields over the past several years failed miserably.
For your sake I hope none of our precious children are injured or worse because of you gross negligence an obvious inability to fulfill your duty as a representative of the citizens of Parsippany. This is exactly why we need low maintenance fields, so that political hacks can't screw it up!
And by the way to all those who voted "NO". I can't wait to see the look on your faces when you eventually try to sell your home...good luck with that!

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Robyn M.

2:03 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Please! When "you eventually try to sell your home," as if people moving into a new town get a magnifying glass and wander around town properties looking to determine whether it's rye grass or fescue.

When people see the academic record at Par Hills, parents should run for the hills (we should have, my husband and I know we made a mistake). Kids go to school to learn, first and foremost and that isn't happening. Due to prior contract negotiations, our kids get educated 30 minutes less per day than state & county averages. This accounts to 1 less YEAR of school than nearly everywhere else (over 12 years of school). If we are spending big bucks, let it be so that we improve the fact that currently 70% of Parsippany grads who go on to County College of Morris have to take remedial courses. http://www.northjersey.com/news/185393372_Parsippany_School_District_success_disputed.html?c=y&page=3

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clyde donovan

2:18 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The proposal was being driven by football parents who want their spoiled kids to have the NFL experience in high school. The soccer team, the band and others would have been prevented from using the luxury stadiums.

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Concerned Parent

2:41 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

County College of Morris? What a wonderful point of reference!

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Concerned Parent

2:50 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

If you'd like to do some relevant research try looking up the top 10 high schools in New Jersey and let me know what kind of sport facilities they have.
Secondly try researching how our Parsippany students compare to your finding when enrolled in State Universities around the country...

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Robyn M.

2:54 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Yes - County College of Morris. A lot of people (me included) went there and went onto successful careers, graduate degrees and lucrative careers. But, if 70% of Parsippany grads can't get past the CCM admissions criteria without having to take remedial classes there, I can only imagine what other, more competitive schools think of the education here.

As to learning on the field - that's great, but what is it that makes you eligible to even play sports? Good grades, right. Because they are more important. You don't have to do well in volleyball to be able to attend geometry...

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Maurice Saunders

3:06 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Robyn M,
Hope you don't take this in a negative way....but I think the point that Concerned Parent is making is that when you use statistics to state an opinion it can be very skewed to the point you are making..which is exactly why you reference it in the1st place. Basing what remedial courses that Parsippany grads take a CCM without looking at the entire population of Parsippany grads is not a fair analysis.

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g

9:11 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

And by the way to all those who voted "NO". I can't wait to see the look on your faces when you eventually try to sell your home...good luck with that!

Wow, if you don't vote my way you will suffer the consequences.

Your comments appear to demean the resilience of some who stand firm and do not yield to bullying.

Your comments encroach on the rights, needs and desires of others. Freedom of will and self-determination are basic needs, and shouldn't be threatened.

Beth Bluj

2:27 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

My kids learned a great deal on and off the field at The Hills. Lessons learned in the classroom are academic, lessons learned on the field are life. To a lot of us out there, both are priceless. Pitting one against the other will never solve either of the problems.
@Concerned - you should be concerned, I know I am.

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Jonathan Hemenway

3:08 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Clyde where do you get such misinformation? That is the complete opposite of what was going to actually happen. Both field were to be lined for all sports and to be used by all of them. Spoiled kids??? You got a lot of nerve. That was just a dumb post!

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parhome

3:17 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Where were all the parents of the children in this district? So few voted. Don't blame the senior citizens for voting no. At least they did vote.

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Chris

3:52 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I am sure most people didn't even know about the vote. If I wasn't on Patch.com, I would have never have known about this. It wasn't in the news anywhere. 53,000 residents in Parsippany and not even 10% of them voted. And didn't most people not even receive anything in the mail concerning the vote???

Maurice Saunders

3:26 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

@parhome, we are here! Can we stop this blame game. No one is blaming seniors for coming out and voting. I wish every registered voter in town comes out to vote for every election regardless of their position. Let's stop this already. It's becoming increasingly easier for people to throw out comments because they have internet access and can at least type with two fingers..

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Mike

3:27 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Calling all seniors...voting which ever way you did no one will ever know. Seniors..your next assignment is to vote for the current mayor...there is no way that you seniors want anything to do with the "i" team....one is enough for three years..you don't need both...

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Reality Checker

4:25 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

My taxes went up 38% in the past 7 years. 5.45% per year on average. I just wish the average American saw a 5.45% raise the past 5 years. It would be nice if the township would do a means test on projects and also do rational and cost effective bids. It seems we want to award business and make decisions based on friendships and nice to haves and miss the important things. What is going to help get these kids the best education. Sure sports are important but education is #1 in my book and managing a budget is also #1. But it is the same old same old muddy politics and agenda in Parsippany.

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Mike

10:00 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I don't think that the fields were going to be lined for all sports. Baseball and softball would be left out of the equation. So unless the turf fields would have been changed there is no way they would get softball and baseball on those fields except to field ground ball and to catch pop ups.

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David Comora

12:32 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Ok, so until we find a permanent solution, perhaps we can now revisit the idea of outfitting the field at Jannarone Park, (which is already lit and artificially turfed), with locker rooms and what ever else is necessary to provide a great venue for both High School Football Teams. I believe some BOE members have discussed this and the cost would be well under a million dollars.

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Maurice Saunders

8:26 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Unless I missed something, Jannarone Park or any other field in Parsippany besides the High Schools are not equipped to for Track & Field. The tracks at both high schools are way past the repatching. They need to be completely replaced.

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Steve

8:56 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

True-Jannerone doesn't have a track. However, in the short term, I think it would be entirely appropriate to consider using Jannerone and/or Smith for practices and games-especially for football, soccer, and field hockey. There would be an additional cost to bus the kids there from each high school, but it's better than facing another season of tremendous injury potential on the current fields.

Not Worth It

10:36 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

While I totally understand that the discussions, and frankly, I can see all sides of this argument, here's my deal. My sons both play for Parsippany Soccer Club. They love the game - live and breathe for it. PSC has its own problems, but the fact remains that they produce top state, national, and elite level teams comprised of many of our town's best young student-athletes. My older son has already said that he wants to play in college at a Division 1 school, and I support him at least trying to. However, I've seen the fields at both schools, and I'm not letting him play for the High if the current conditions continue. Not worth the injury, but perhaps then I can sue the district. He doesn't need to play for the High - Division 1 schools will look at his PSC results and an overwhelming percentage of college soccer is played on artificial turf. Heck, even if he played Division 3 at great schools like Montclair State or TCNJ, he'd play on turf. While this isn't about MY kid, this is about that athletics - whether everyone likes it or not - DOES build school pride, and it DOES raise the profile of our town within the state. We are below mediocre in both high school athletic programs, other than brief successes in football at the Hills and strong individual seasons in other sports at both schools. So my thought is, "Why bother?" and THAT is the overwhelming thought in Parsippany right now....not one of Pride. I can't be the only soccer dad that feels this way in this town.

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Steve

11:57 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

We've also considered this options as well. My child has already been injured once playing on a crappy Parsippany BOE field. The odds that any one of our kids will play for a Division I (or at any collegiate level) is slim at best. However, why take the chance of an injury and reduce the chances to zero when they can play for club/travel teams and reduce the liklihood of an injury by playing on better fields? My kids would love to play for and represent their school at the high school level, but as "Not Worth It" says 'Division 1 schools will look at...' club and travel teams anyway. I won't hold my breath for a 'solution', especially in the short-term.

Scott Dean

10:57 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Dear Hugh, instead of thinking up foul usernames start asking questions as to who is responsable for the conditions. The affluent town of Parsippany seems to be lacking in quality there certainly is quanity of people playing these days. Use your name and speak up

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Jonathan Hemenway

12:46 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Does anyone know about COP (certificate of participation)? So schools have used this in other states to help fund there fields and at no cost to the schools or town. I am trying to read more about this. Also, when I was coaching football at another school a few years back we had two major companies (coke / nike) come in and want to help fund the field and all the school needed to do was place some advertisement around the field. NFL teams are also sometimes able to help with some of the cost as well. Just some food for thought.

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Monica Sclafani

5:27 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Maurice & Steve - perhaps there is money in the 2013/2014 budget to replace the tracks at both high schools, while using Janneronne or Smithfield (for the short term) until there is a plan to fix the fields at both high schools. Although I think I remember it being said that the fields/ tracks had to be done at the same time - wouldn't want to have to rip up or damage the tracks when new fields are put in? Worth asking about, yes?

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Maurice Saunders

8:04 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Monica - It's definitely worth asking.

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Steve

10:39 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

I know that the PHS field hockey team played a bunch of their tournament games at Jannerone and it's a great field. If we aren't going to get turf fields at the high schools in the short term, maybe busing to to what we have currently is an option. Both Jannerone and Smith can be painted for football, soccer, field hockey, and lacrosse. All I want is a place for these kids to practice and play where they aren't worried about a foot getting stuck in mud and spraining knee ligaments ( or worse), falling on a rock and needing stitches, or sliding on a spot on the field where there hasn't been grass in years.

It isn't perfect, and football probably would be a real pain because of all the equipment, but it has to be better than playing on what they have. And since it seems that my kids could very well be out of school before there are decent fields at any of the schools in this town we need a short-term solution. Someone is going to get hurt...on the field, on the bleachers, or on the track. Where will the town get the money for that lawsuit?

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Robyn M.

11:14 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Can't someone call the Morris County Municipal Utilities Authority and get put on the calendar for receiving a big shipment of fill/topsoil at the high schools? Can't a local landscaper come out (for free) and give an estimate of how much dirt would be needed, then an order placed and current staff spread it over the summer to prep for next fall? My husband and I filled a lot of big holes in our yard, which also slightly improved the soggy-ness of our yard, we also leveled off a few of the clearly lower areas, and we planted and kept up with a lot of grass seed. It may not be perfect, but it's better than the ruts and grass-less mess.

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Steve

8:11 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Robyn, Unfortunately it isn't as simple as fixing our yards. When town or school fields are built on the cheap to save money, one of the first things cut is usually the money for proper drainage beneath the surface. On top of fields that now have poor drainage you have a mass overuse which stifles any new growth (even if you seed and fertilize) and limits the growth of the grass that is already there. Leveling low areas in my yard is easy-I can add soil, seed and fertilize and keep everyone off of the area until it properly settles and growth begins and a root system develops. Perhaps it would work in the short term, I don't know-I'm not a turf-grass specialist, but I know about fields and field use and this would be a band aid. 'Fixing' the fields simply isn't as easy as so many have made it out to be (that's not a dig at you, just a general observation after three days of reading the comments from both articles on the Patch).

People can complain about maintenance all they want, but when budgets were voted down and then sliced by the town council where did people think the money would come from? Teacher and other employee salaries? Classroom supplies? Nope-maintenance. Field maintenance, building maintenance, infrastructure upgrades, and capital improvements. And please don't take that as a show of support for how the BOE has handled things over the past few years...it's simply a reality.

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Robyn M.

5:26 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Don't they have several months of non-use in the summer? As to drainage - I live close to Par High, and I'm betting I have some of the same issues, which is an ongoing project my husband and I are working on. I also have kids and a big dog who love nothing more than trudging through grass seed. I know it's maybe not ideal, whereas turf is ideal, but some simple improvements can't hurt. A lot of things are ideal in life - ideally I would have sprinklers and wouldn't run around my yard getting soaked moving the sprinkler around, but if we're thinking practically and using what we have, we still need seed, soil, etc.

David Comora

11:01 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Steve, there are a few BOE members who seem to support this. Somehow its got to be coordinated with the town, who controls the field(s). But its a logical next alternative. Gives the kids a great venue for games and can be converted for use by the high schools quickly and for a relatively small investment. It should not cause an issue with surrounding residents as the lights and parking are already in place.

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Scott Dean

8:28 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

What needs to be done is multi-task.
Find the money to make the fields safe now!!
Bulldoze the fields inatall proper drainage and resod the fields ,there are cheaper and fixable solutions now that can be done.
Why have we not heard from the contractor who maintains they should be embarrassed.
Since the town is aware of the field issues,go back to them taking care of them most of their kids will probably be playing on them anyway.
Enough with the excuses.Own the problem and fix it. THe money is has and should be available.

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Maurice Saunders

8:52 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Scott, no disrespect but there's no money to be found. The whole purpose of the recent failed attempts to fund this capital improvement project was to GET THE FUNDS. At this point, it's not about owning the problem...it's about finding ways to fund it to fix it. Whether it short term or long term, a plan needs to be put in place.

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Scott Dean

9:02 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Maurice, my point is I am not buying that money is not there to make these fields and tracks and fences safe.Where is it ? For all of these years where has it gone.When I say own the problem I mean there needs to be some explanation as to where it has all gone because you can not see it in school renovations. I am aware these schools are old but it is time to treat these fields like a damaged roof and fix it period.It will take a lot of can shakes to come up with 7.7 mil then again maybe not..

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Steve

9:25 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Smart budget planners, at least ones with sufficient income flows, should always maintain a deferred maintenance budget-basiclaly a 'lockbox' for future maintenance/upgrades/repairs. I don't have any insight into the BOE expenditures, but I would imagine that any deferred maintenance account that may have existed was raided a long time ago and that there isn't money set aside to "Bulldoze the fields, install proper drainage and resod the fields."

And let's be honest, the two high school fields are only PART of the problem. Have you seen the fields at the middle and elementary schools? There is no recess in Middle or high school, but the outdoor fields at most of the elementary schools, where the kids DO go out to play, are atrocious...just more injuries waiting to happen...holes. rocks, rusty fences, damaged backstops, etc. This isn't just about fields for our athletes (well, maybe THIS PARTICULAR issue is), but should also be about the spaces available for PE, recess, after school programs, and other use outside of the normal school day. I'm not talking about pristine turf fields (which I DO support), but simply providing safe fields for our kids.

Maurice Saunders

9:13 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Scott, I can understand that point you are making. But in previous years when the school budgets were not passed, cuts were made. When school district's state aid was reduced, additional cuts were made. When decisions are made based less money available, I'm sure maintenance and athletics were probably the first in line to be cut. The explanation of where's the money, lies between failed budget, less state aid and some negligence.

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Scott Dean

9:37 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Maurice I do think you are understating the negligence part. This field issue what at the forefront for over a year and supported by so many in local leadership positions,this should not change because the tax payers are not going to foot the bill.
The responsable parties for this negligence and disregard for so many years should have to answer for this without blaming other parties and state cuts as the reasoning. Find the lock box for the past 6 years and find out who has the copies of keys.

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Maurice Saunders

10:08 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Scott, Trust me...i'm not understating the negligence part because I used the word "some". I've been a parent volunteer/youth coach for the better part of 17 years. I'm all for placing blame and calling out those who are responsible as well. In order for us to move forward we do need to learn from the past as not to repeat it. I'm in full agreement with you on that. But when the "Blame" cup is full and running over, we need to stop pouring into that cup and look for ways to address the problems.

Beth Bluj

9:49 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

The town has absolutely no obligation to the board. Remember, it was the board that said "No thank you - we can do this ourselves". We all see how that worked out.

Now, we all expect the board to turn on a switch and get this problem solved right away? They already had two chances and it didn't happen. I don't hold out hope that 3 is a charm.

We lost the vote, and I am ok with that. The people spoke and I respect that. Are there 'alternative solutions' out there? Maybe. However, in this town, I wouldn't expect to see any of them agreed upon and implemented. We all work too hard against each other to make sure things don't happen.

Finding solutions to fix these fields started 10 years ago - no results back then, ten years later, still talking, still working very hard against each other, and still no results. Class of 2023 - may you will be the lucky ones.

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Bob Crawford

2:01 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Beth
The answer may be for the BOE to appoint a committee made up primarily of Parsippany residents who can represent all points of view. The committee membership should also include a member of the BOE and a member from the Town Council and the Superintendent (who would be invited to participate as a non-voting member). The purpose of this Committee would be to meet 3-5 times to talk through the issues and then by a majority vote make recommendations that would be presented to the full BOE. The BOE would not be obligated to take the recommendations but it would, at the very least, receive recommendations that represented the community's best thinking.The meetings would be open to the public and the press.
This approach was utilized a couple years ago when the the BOE had to make some difficult decisions around what walking routes (to school) would be identified as courtesy busing was being eliminated. As you might imagine there were a number of points of view around that topic but the Traffic and Safety Committee was able to make recommendations that the BOE then acted on and that are still in effect today. That approach worked in the past and it may offer a path forward.

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Scott Dean

2:59 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Bob, I attended last night's meeting in part to join this effort that you speak of.How would I go about bringing this to the BOE or trying to be part of the answer for the future.
Thanks in advance
Scott

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Bob Crawford

3:24 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Scott
The established protocol based on BOE policy is for the BOE to agree to appoint an adhoc Committee and define the make-up of the Committee. For instance 5-7 residents from the Community, one BOE member, one Town Council member and a non voting member representing the Administration could be invited by the BOE President to join the Committee. The President would also invite two of the residents to serve as Chair and Vice Chair or if need be as Co-Chairs. Committee operating rules would be suggested by the BOE President for the whole Committee to review and agree on (The operating rules developed and used by the Traffic and Safety Commission could be a starting point.) The Commitee would have a set period of time to hold meetings and to conduct the required research and would be expected to report to the BOE by a set date with its recommendations. It would then be up to a majority of the Board to decide if it wanted to consider/implement any of the Committee's recommendations. So the next step would be for the BOE/BOE President to consider this or any other idea(s) to move the search for answers forward.

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Carol M.

12:09 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Mr Crawford I remember the committee you are talking about but it wasn't a resident that was invited to chair or co chair; you were a BOE member at the time and you were the chair. I also remember the same format was used with the demographics committee and it was a member of the BOE that chaired that one too; I think it was Mrs Sheike. I remember hearing you report about the committee and it seemed like it worked well so the suggestion is a good one but I'm surprised that you don't remember that both times a committee like that was used, a BOE member was the chair.

Scott Dean

3:37 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Bob, Thanks for the information, I think residents with all different ideas and possible solutions would be best to make up this group,as many agree something must be done at the first thaw..I will reach out to the BOE to propose this if it hasnt been done already.

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Monica Sclafani

4:13 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Scott - didn't Mrs. Golderer say last night at the meeting that she was going to have a work session in February to discuss the fields issue? Public invited?

Scott Dean

5:10 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Monica, If she did then I missed it,thanks for the heads up,Was at the meeting but was behind a sea of blue.I look forward to being part of the solution going forward

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BJNJ

6:57 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

The question comes down to TRUST. The voters simply do not TRUST the present board. The fiasco about the secret emails indicates there are the board we see and the secret one that we don't see. This secret board will spend anything in attorney's fees to stay hidden. The members of the present board should resign and the poster boy for whats greedy in the educational system should go with them. Parsippany needs a fresh start od people that can be trusted.

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Bob Crawford

7:21 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Monica and Scott
It's time for a different approach. Certainly all of us have learned by now that creditable and creative solutions are not going to come from the back room buffoonery that defined Mayor Barberio's self serving involvement in the FOD initiative. Nor are the needed answers likely to be surfaced by a Board that all too willingly ceded its responsibilities to Superintendent Seitz who demonstrated an inabilty to distribute a self serving infomercial about the Referendum to Parsippany residents.
It's time for Referendum proponents and opponents to come together and figure this out. As the BOE is responsible for the fields that independent effort should be initiated at the BOE's invitaion and with their participation. But please no more BOE work sessions and no more closed door secret meetings at Town Hall to figure this out. Let's look to the future, involve people who care and move forward

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Monica Sclafani

8:29 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Bob - Stop playing the blame game. You say you want a different approach and to move things forward, yet you keep repeating over and over and over the same old lines. The Mayor, the BOE, the Superintendent - let it go already! Yes, let's look to the future and move things forward! You seem so passionate about the issue, how about taking the lead! Show "them" how it should be done! Now there's an agenda many people will support!

Jonathan Hemenway

8:06 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I would love the opportunity to help and be on a committee that would work together to bring a solution to this issue. These comment from the people of our town have truly bothered me. I think a group formed by the people of this town would be good for us all. Too much separation in this town right now on more then one topic.

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Monica Sclafani

8:15 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Robyn M - While you may have a couple of kids and a dog that run through your backyard, you have 80 to 100 high school boys/men running, with cleats on, across the high school fields playing football. And that's the only sport that can be played on the fields - football. The purpose of the referendum was to turf the fields so that other sports could be played on the fields - like field hockey; so that the marching bands could play on the fields; so that PE classes could be held outside, etc. The fields do not hold up to this kind of abuse and some topsoil and grass seed is not gonna cut it. Take a look at the architect's plans for prepping the fields for turf. From what I've heard, that prep work would still need to be done whether you turf or put down grass. It truly isn't a simple fix.

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Robyn M.

7:30 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

I could never vote for a plan that was pushed at me this way. I am the type of person who does her homework - I would want to hear multiple perspective from professionals about how the problem could be addressed. I don't care about what laypeople think (including me - I'm not an expert, just a person who wants to know the options) If we had multiple professionals come out and give different ideas, and it led us to saying grass would never work, then OK. But honestly, I don't think this could possibly be true - we live on Planet Earth, not on Rubbermaid. How much would it cost? What would it look like? Inquiring minds want to know. Given options, I could draw a conclusion. But, without information, I can't make an informed decision and, therefore, I voted no. I would never take the advice of a single contractor about a major home repair and this situation was presented just that way. And, now that the plan has failed perhaps we need to get down to basics and do more simple fixing up.

Bob Crawford

10:42 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Monica
I would be happy to work with the BOE to bring together a committee of citizens to figure this out. I happened to have served on the Traffic and and Safety Committee when I was on the BOE so I have some ideas But I, or anyone else, can only begin to organize that effort at the invitation and with the cooperation of the BOE which correctly has the ultimate responsibility for solving this issue.

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Carol M.

12:31 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Thank you for the link Mrs Bluj. I don't mean to harp but it truly is sad that when most communities are moving to improve the involvement of students with disabilities, our community won't even approve the funds to provide barrier free access to fields for these students and consider ADA compliance with restrooms a luxury.

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Beth Bluj

1:42 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Thank you Carol. This article clearly shows the importance athletics plays in a school system for ALL children and that was our message the entire course of this. Instead, we were accused of being crazy sports parents who wanted to make sure that our 'little johnnys' had luxury sports stadiums to play on at the expense of academics.
The BOE has an obligation, now more than ever, to bring these fields up to today's norm.

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steve revette

2:40 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I think it's great that this is coming down but Parsippany will never follow it in my opinion. And I understand the It's from Washington and they HAVE to follow it. I would have hope for this if our school District followed the rules we already ahve in place regarding kids with disabilities. There are times where the CST has to fight with the administration to allow certain kids be allowed to walk at graduation.

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Carol M.

2:54 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Sometimes people have their minds made up well in advance or are too quick to focus on one specific stumbling block rather then see the whole picture or recognize that many before them have come up with the same ideas that have just not worked so it's time to move on from there. Those who have been paying attention for a long time could easily see that you and the others working with you were on a mission to benefit all children; I only hope that the BOE remembers that should be the goal when they get around to solving this problem and the article you linked to is a perfect reminder of what the whole picture looks like and what it should be all about.

Scott Dean

10:14 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@BJNJ, I would have to agree that the trust is lost but from the former BOE,We now have some new faces and should afford them a (little time) to regain the trust of the populous here in Parsippany.So much passion for this project can make it obtainable I believe.The past and present cheerleaders should not (pass) on the issues at hand, strong leaders find solutions,let's hope we dont fumble again.

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Bob Crawford

1:05 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Carol M
If having a BOE member serve as the chair of a citizens' committee to find a solution for the fields' issue is a key to getting the commitee up and running, then by all means may BOE President Golderer call upon one of her colleagues to assume that leadership role as soon as possible. As I recall Ms Sheike, throughout her tenure on the BOE, set a high standard for leadership and diplomacy which, if mirrored by the BOE member selected, will do much to ensure the sucess of the citizens' committee

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Carol M.

2:28 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree with you and my point exactly Mr Crawford; if you have a blueprint for success, why leave out some of the details that lead to that success? You have first hand knowledge of the format used that ended well, why not volunteer to share the entire format that worked so that the BOE may possibly realize the same results? I also share your opinion about Mrs Sheike; I do believe she is everyone's fondest due largely to the diplomacy you mention and that her priority as far as I could see was always, and only, about what was best for the children and our schools.

Scott Dean

1:55 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Beth I am one of many who admire your efforts to this project,believe it or not if you are thinking people are calling you crazy it is not because you care so much.or because you are a sports family.I think it was that your efforts were hooked to the wrong wagon.The majority of people I have spoken to are not behind the way this was force fed thru and by the people pushing.Dont be so hard on yourself this decision shouldnt be a reflection of your and others dedication rather a result of transparency from the start.

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Beth Bluj

2:53 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Scott - let's end this right here. I will not even begin to entertain talk about what happened in the past.
My efforts are now hooked on making sure the BOE provides the kids of this town safe playing fields for THIS season.

Beth Bluj

2:00 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@Bob - in all honestly, how long do you think this entire process would take? There are 3 months before spring track begins and 7 months before football starts.
Also, you cannot compare this committee to a traffic safety committee. You were not looking to spend millions on safe walking routes.
I don't think this is going to be a simple and straight forward as you think it is. I see nothing more than talks, studies, talks, studies and then.........back to square one.
The BOE needs to find some serious money and fix this NOW - not in another year.

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Scott Dean

3:15 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Beth, I agree and look forward to that goal as well.

Bob Crawford

3:28 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Carol M
The blueprint is in the BOE office as is the final report
Beth
I believe it's about sequencing and about choices. For the sake of this discussion, let's agree that the PHHS football field and the PHHS visitors' stands need priority attention and that replacing those stands and turfing the PHHS football field are this year's top priorities for consideration in the budget the Board will begin crafting shortly. So no lights and no new track at PHHS at least for this year. Let's also agree that the BOE will provide the community with some specifics around when the fields will be used and by whom.
Next year the focus could be on replacing the PHS track as the PHS football field is in much better shape than the one at PHHS Also this year's budget already contains $100,000 to replace the PHS home stands.
Work by a citizens committee should begin to explore other funding opportunities (private or grant) and work should begin to prioritize what needs to be repaired/replaced and when and how those initiatives might be funded by the annual 2% budget increase the BOE will award itself. The all or nothing approach was voted down last Tuesday. Perhaps a less is more approach might work

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Mike

9:27 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Do not trust Carifi or the other four that vote. These 5 will never be on the same page as the other four.

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Good luck

1:03 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Parsippany has zero pride in athletics. The super stated "we're not here to hang athletic plagues on the walls." The place is a mess.

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