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Carifi Defends BOE Vote on Departing Fifth-Grader

School board member was the only one who voted to remove a fifth-grader from his or her class, but said intent was not about 'kicking students out.'

 

Among the matters considered by the Parsippany Board of Education at its Thursday meeting was one that might have kept a fifth-grade child from sharing the end of the elementary school "moving up" experience with his or her classmates.

The superintendent's report of items to be decided included an item requesting that an unidentified fifth-grader whose family is leaving the school district be able to finish the year with his or her classmates.

The board voted to allow the request, however, one member voted no: recently sworn-in member James Carifi.

Carifi insisted that his vote was not about "kicking [a student] out" of school.

"I by no means feel that these such students should be 'kicked out' or not allowed to finish a year or even attend our schools if they are not a resident of Parsippany," he explained. "I simply believe that in the interest of fairness to the taxpaying citizens, these people who are no longer residents should pay to have their children stay in our school district at a minimum of a prorated rate, depending on where they are at in the school year."

Carifi said his work on the board is guided by the promises he made during his successful 2012 campaign.

"Those who know me, know that I am a man of my word," he said. "The vast majority of township residents that I spoke to during my campaign have expressed the hardships they are facing with the tax burdens of Parsippany. In this economy, residents are having difficulty paying Parsippany taxes in general, let alone paying for people who no longer reside in our town." 

Carifi said that according to the documents he was provided, it was his understanding that the parents who made the request, which he said is not an unusual thing to ask, did not have children in transitional grades who will be graduating. He said he saw one request for a first-grade student and another for a 10th-grader.

"I in no means want to make this an issue," said the school board member, who began his term in January. "The issue was already brought up in the past and voted on and I accept the outcome.

"I respect each and every board member's opinion."

Related Topics: Board of Education, James Carifi, and Schools

Michael Brancato

6:08 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Really? How much are those three months of not schooling one student going to save me, Mr. Carifi? I want a detailed, line item report of every penny that will come back to my pocket because one student doesn't finish the year in a Par-Troy school.

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steve revette

6:45 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

I guess you won't ever know because the student will be going to school anyway even though they don't live in Parsippany. I think it's more about the Principal then about the money. I don't mind the kid is staying but hopefully this doesn't turn into a regular thing for the board.

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Kathy Morgan

7:00 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

@Steve, I agree with you, but unfortunately if the school district lets one do it and everyone will be usurping the rules because a precedent has been set. It has got to end some where.

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James W.

7:00 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

It wasn't in the Patch article that I saw but in one of the other papers, "Board member James Carifi brought up cutting the athletic budget by about $100,000". Would that be football? Soccer? Across the board cuts?

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James

7:08 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Well hopefully other school districts will start charging Parsippany when students move to our town in the middle of the year. That'll show em. Great job Carifi making a great name for yourself but screw the kids. BTW anybody investigating how much retired police officers make. They make more in a year then a not retired teacher makes and they make it after 25 years not when they are 60 years old. You want to investigate a waste of tax payer money start with police salaries and retirement benefits. Dezenzo making $130,000 plus a year in retirement! How many of you reading this are making that working full time and not retired. Ask Carifi and his brother how much they make when retired you will be shocked.

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Joanne Mancuso

7:15 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

When I did sit on the Board in 2001 - 2004, We did allow this for students who's family's had to leave the district. But it was according to Policy, and the request would have to come during the last marking period of the year. If a family requested this in the early part of the school year it would be denied. Also the family is responsible to provide all transportation for the student. (Sorry - I really miss not being able to take my seat - sincerely wishing I didn't have to move)!

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ChrisP

7:50 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

I am not a supporter of James Carifi but in this case I agree with him. He is not oppose to let the student finish his/her school year at Parsippany school. What he says is that Parents should pay for the tuition for their kid if they do not live in the town. What is wrong with that. Isn't that we all agree on? It is not a matter of how much tax money we as an individual will save but it is a matter of principle and fairness. Also, this should be allowed only during the last marking period. If we allow this we should also allow out of town students who live with their relatives in town to go to the school and don't pay Parsippany taxes.

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Chris

11:13 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Yeah, wouldn't Parsippany get tax credits from the town that the family lives in. I mean, the school accountants SHOULD know how much it cost Parsippany to educate one 5th grader.

The lived-in town should give Pars the taxes that it receives from the family to pay for schooling in Parsippany. I mean, A). the school board should be thinking in the best interest of the child and B). They should then be looking in the best interest of the School District.

Seems like a pretty simple and open and shut case (but somehow the government/BOE has to make it more difficult).

Sick of the Bull

11:19 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

It is definitely a matter of principle, not dollars and cents this time. Good job James. Ya gotta admire a guy who sticks to his guns, whether or not you think he is right or wrong. It's a rare thing these days to find a politician who doesn't sway in the breeze.

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David Comora

11:52 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Mr Carifi, If you didn't want to "make this an issue", why were you the sole vote against it? Its obviously an issue for you and it may or may not have merit. I am curious what other towns are doing this and how it has worked out? If no other towns are doing this, why not? How would you know when a student's family has moved? Would someone in administration be responsible for checking all real estate transactions and then red flag children? How would you pro-rate the tuition? Would there be a point at which you would not charge?( ie. the last few months of the school year?). If there are issues with class size or other registration blips in the town they are moving to, would there be some sort of allowance made? On a larger scale, would this change the real estate market, in terms of timing of home sales...would more people wait for late June transactions to save thousands or tens of thousand of dollars, if there are several children in the family? Are we only talking about 2 or 3 kids so this is really a non issue? It could be a good idea and I'm sure you've thoroughly researched it ... would you mind sharing your research with us?

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Chris

12:08 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

All great, well thought out valid points. And by judging on the info received in this article, the BOE don't take ANY of that information into consideration. Apparently, all it takes is simply a yes or no vote on a case by case basis.

Therefore, I can only assume that Parsippany does NOT get any $$$ from the lived in town and yes, money is prob being wasted on educating these individuals.

It is good that Mr. Carifi stood his ground, but it doesn't appear that he went any further and looked into the process at all, like the constituents who voted him in would hope he would do.

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Robyn M.

1:51 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

One of my cousins faced moving out of state due to her husband's job change, which was unfortunately in their daughter's senior year of high school. They opted to rent an apartment in the town where she went to school, and my cousin stayed behind with their daughter, while her husband started his new job. They realized it was their problem - they were the ones who decided to move. At no point did they consider their child going to school in a district they were not paying taxes into (she could have stayed with a close friend). I think you either pay taxes here and are entitled to send your kids here, or you pay tuition. The family made the decision; the Township of Parsippany hasn't kicked anybody out, yet (although, many of us wish we could!).

joe capri

12:49 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

How can Mr Carifi stand there and say he cares about "the Tax Payers in these hard economic times" why the heck is he Sueing the township for $$$$$$$? you run for the BOE and say that you are going to kick 5th grades out of School to save money YET you have a huge law case against the same tax payers you serve! I don't understand you.....

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Ed Dantes

11:23 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Come on now Joe, If our Mayor followed the contractual protocols we wouldn’t have had all the Law suits filed by multiple Police that wronged. Nor would we being paying out has much to our last two chiefs, as I believe Mr. Phillips should have been Chief prior to Mr. Peckerman. Nor we would have had the Town Clerk fiasco and all the costs associated with that suit, settlement, another new hire and I believe still pending suits. You can only make so many excuses for the same guy before people wise up.

Webmaster

1:06 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Joe - I totally agree with you. "looking out for the taxpayers of Parsippany" - while secretly suing the town at the same time - in which WE taxpayers have to foot the bill.

I am going to find out how much he has cost US taxpayers so far with his crybaby frivolous "i didn't get promoted" lawsuit and will post it here - stay tuned...

By the way, does anyone know what the process is for having a BOE member removed and replaced with somebody competent who's ego is not bigger than the job?

I am ashamed to admit i voted for this guy. I guess i really didn't know him - but now i do.

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joe capri

1:25 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Thanks webmaster I look forward to it!

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James

1:37 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

please find out for us.

Pat Ellis

1:48 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

It is not just good that Mr. Carifi stood his ground, it is great. And for those who do not go to the meetings, Mr. Carifi scrutinizing at ALL budget items that catches administration off guard and causes them to look more closely before answering Mr. Carifi's questions accurately. This is the kind of oversight and accountability of which this township is in dire need.

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joe capri

1:54 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Pat you are correct. I wasn't at the meeting. Maybe you can do us a favor and catch him off guard next time by asking about his law suit and how much is is trying to get from us taxpayers? Include our attorney fees & why he is doing it. Thank you.

Phil L

2:36 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

LOL @ joe capri, no need to do that, you couldn’t enlighten Pat Ellis of anything even if he/she were lying in a coma state. Let the courts decide if town hall officials driving this Parsippany bus should be sued or not.

I am humored joe capri by your and "Webmaster's" noticeable absence from Patch stories and blogs covering how much outgoing Chief DeZenzo has cost the taxpayers of Parsippany ($379,082.31 in unused personal, sick and vacation time) and another $16,003.79 in unused compensatory pay=$395,086.10). It only indicates you are subjective and only highlight selective facts trying to appease your one-sided ways.

I am equally amused by your absence in Patch discussions about and lack of mention of other police lawsuits against the township, such as the one mostly recently dropped by newly-named Acting Police Chief Paul Phillipps and the township’s lawsuit recently won by Sgt. Robert Whiteman, resulting in an immediate reinstatement of the Sergeant.

So again joe capri and Webmaster let the courts decide the merit of Carifi’s case and stop with your one-sided People's Court coverage. It is tiresome, selective and prejudiced.

Unfortunately for us residents, this township has a rich recently history of idiots leading town hall, i.e. Luther and now Barberio.

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Dan O'Dowd

3:00 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

I've been at these BOE meetings it is nice to see at least someone is watching over the budget. Mr. Carifi has even caught some duplicity in the budget at the first couple of reviews -- great going.

I am sick and tired of paying for everyone else's kid who doesn't live in town and whose parents pay not one dime to Parsippany. This district has already shelled out millions of dollars to fund for the educational and special needs of out-of-district kids as Parsippany families continuously struggle to keep their homes and kids in district.

If the BOE doesn't wake up, the parents who are paying the bill will move to a more affordable district who doesn't tolerate taxpayers funding for nonresidents.

Par-Troy has been funding for too many years out-of-district kids who get busing and special need accomodations, while tens of thousands of Par-Troy kids lose their busing, lose their language arts in elementary school, have music and library cut back, are charged for more and more school items, etc.

It has been happening far too long and residents have had enough. And for Mr. Carifi to consistently stand up for Parsippany's taxpaying parents is refreshingly honest.

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Alan C

3:07 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

@Webmaster, if you think for one minute we all on this post think you voted for Carifi, you need to go back to school yourself.

I have been following your "work" and you are so anti-Carifi you can't see straight. You seem to pursuing an obsession -- almost like you wish you were him, HA HA.

So stop the facade Webmaster, you are as legible as a children's book.

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A Malek

4:53 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

As a parent of two children in this district, I can tell you of countless occasions when prinicipals/staff know a child already moved out of district mid-year and let them just complete the year and say nothing.

This is more of the regular practice than any BOE staffer or administrator wants to publicly admit, but nonetheless should end. Taxpayers can't afford this nonsense. We don't sit on a pile of endless cash.

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Ed Dantes

6:27 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

This is really the biggest issue the BOE has to argue about? James what do you think you are going to save the town? Parsippany already received the state money for the year, we are not losing 3 months worth to another district. Classes have 25 students each I think? Do you think you are saving 1/25th of a classroom’s heating and AC bill? Are the books going to be 1/25th newer? The teacher is still there are you saving 1/25th of their salary? Give it rest and argue about something that matters.

How about searching for a new Superindentent, this way taxpayers won't have to pay someone per diem to fill in. Which by the way is far more then we were paying Dr. Seitz. How about finding new Business Administrator so we don't have to pay some per diem here too?

Look at the big picture her folks, not the little ones.

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Joan Callamezzo

7:47 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

If Carifi is so concerned about stacking and not letting children finish out the school year, maybe he should start looking inward at the Townhomes he owns in Parsippany and rents out to others.

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Pat Ellis

8:01 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

You know Ed Dantes -- by the sounds of your entry, sounds like you are not at the meetings. At least Mr. Carifi is a member who is actively working to make cuts in the budget instead of increasing the budget.

Mr. Carifi is bringing up a lot more than the out-of-district kid(s) which is the only angle this story covered. The story omitted other budgetary comments and inquiries made by Mr. Carifi that had the administrators realizing that more homework needs to be done. Keep them honest Mr. Carifi!

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Ed Dantes

10:28 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Pat, I think I was pretty accurate in what I wrote. I did not comment that I was against Mr. Carifi's others questions. I commented that this particular issue is ridiculous! Throwing this kid out would not save a dime, it was either for show or vindictive. There are clearly far more pressing issues facing the BOE, especially the ones I noted that WILL cost taxpayers a great deal of money.

And Steve, damn guy give it a rest. We all get it! You feel some teachers were mean to you and didn’t feel you are as intelligent as you think. You hate the Teachers, you hate the schools, you blame the Superintendent, they conspiring to get you (except a couple elementary school teachers). You’ve been out of school for some years now, move on.

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steve revette

10:48 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

What does that have to do with anything? And you'd happen to know I think highly of a lot of the teachers. However, I pay taxes just like you do and I am entitled to my opinion just like you are. However what I said had nothing to do with the teachers or superintendent. All I said were that it is pretty misleading to put things on the budget that are not being paid out by the budget. The 191 thousand dollars isn't coming out of the 100 hundred million dollar budget and I think that is kind of misleading.

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Ed Dantes

11:35 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

This article is about the kid he was going to push out of the district to save money. The problem is it would save us nothing. So is it just for show or is it vindictive?

This article isn't about the all the other issues, that's jsut mis-directing. You just always seems to need to kick the schools, teacher, etc James is questioning this issue for what? There was nothing to save. There are other issues far more important as the ones I mentioned. I suggested that he and the other BOE work on those as that could save us money is handled quickly as to avoid paying per diem staff.

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steve revette

12:03 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

You're right that it won't save us anything. However like I said it's about the Principle. While I agree that this article is about that specific issue I was not the one who brought up something different. Other people brought up different things about the budget and I threw in my 2 cents. I did not blast or kick any teacher in this article. All I said was putting things on the budget that aren't a part of the budget is misleading. Also I'm glad that your kids teachers are respectful to them and it is your right to defend them. However I know for a fact that teachers and the superintendent made my junior year at PHHS difficult and instead of working with me they told me to drop it.

steve revette

8:55 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013

Pat is right. I think it's great that James is questioning things. I understand that Skip covers itself for money,however, if that's the case why is it even being presented in the budget? I mean I don't do the grocery shopping in my house but 190 thousand for snacks? That seems crazy. All I'm saying is the stuff that should be listed in the budget is stuff being specifically paid for by the taxpayers. Don't even have the snacks listed in the budget if the taxpayers aren't paying for them and they're being paid for by parents.

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Kramit The Frog

9:24 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Looking out for the taxpayers? Give me a break. Look, this child's education has already been paid for until the end of the year. Forcing his parents to pay tuition does not save the taxpayers one dime. Not one. All this is is a bunch of blowhards making stupid comments about something which they have no clue trying to sound like they're looking out for anyone other than themselves. It's one damn kid! Are we going to pay the teacher for that class less because there's one fewer child? No. Do we get more for selling his textbook back to the school store early? No. Will the schools use less heat or water or electricity because of one less student? No. Will we save money on his school lunch? Is there one fewer dodge ball needed for PE? Will the school use less paste because of this one fewer student? Are you kidding me? The principle of the thing, oh please. If you're buying into this red herring, please, do us all a favor and go read the damn bylaws for the BOE before you vote. Or better yet, don't vote at all, ever again. This is a joke of an issue and a waste of time. Worse yet, it's a distraction from real issues that actually affect our tax rates.

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Gordon Rizzuto

9:58 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

What a joke. Only in Parsippany. What part of the fact that we have no business educating people outside Parsippany do some people not understand. I'm pretty new to Parsippany and my wife and I both new that when we moved here we new the deal was that our kids would have to change schools. We also moved here during the summer when our kids weren't in school. It's one kid. Then another. Then another. Then another. We need to put our footdown after a while.

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John Smith

10:01 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

"I by no means feel that these such students should be 'kicked out' or not allowed to finish a year or even attend our schools if they are not a resident of Parsippany,"

I'm really not sure how he can say that when he voted to do just that and kick the student out. He claims he voted no in the interest of tax payers - but besides a couple sheets of paper, maybe a pencil or two I can't think of any other cost. To kick a student out 3 or 4 months before the 5th year graduation would be awful. I've never encountered a classmate who started at a new school 3 months before graduation. Let's think about the students Mr. Carifi as well. I understand if this was at the expense of tax payers $, but its not - the cost will remain the same if he is at his desk or not.

Families move out of town and families move into town. I'm sure there are families that move into town during the end of school years and have their kids finish up in the town they use to live in. It's not easy for a kid to adapt to new surroundings, nor is it their fault for them moving - making the child's transition easier by allowing them to finish school at the current district doesn't hurt anyone.

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Alan C

12:11 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Everyone, no need to waste your time on Kramit the Frog. Much like others are saying on other Patch stories --- "Kram-idiot! Are YOU really that dumb?" (on Gun Buy Back Story), this person lacks credibility.

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