Controversial Waterview Development Decision Delayed

Parsippany Town Council public hearing draws hundreds, to be continued on Oct. 1.

A couple hundred people filed into the Parsippany Hills High School Auditorium Tuesday night for the council meeting's discussion, presentation, public hearing and vote on the controversial ordinance, which rezones a tract of land in the Waterview complex

However, it was made clear that the public hearing would close at 10:30 p.m. and if there were still people who wanted to speak, the issue would be postponed until the Oct. 1 meeting; and that's what happened after about 30 people spoke, most against the rezoning ordinance.

The public hearing will be continued at the next council meeting, which will take place at Parsippany Hills HS at 7 p.m. 

At Tuesday night's meeting, there were presentations from:

Ed Snieckus, of Burgis Associates, Inc., on the inconsistencies/consistencies of the proposal with the township's master plan. In summary, he said that the proposed overlay can be found to effectuate several objectives of the Master Plan.

Gordon Meth, director of traffic engineering with the RBA Group, Inc., on the traffic impacts. Ultimately, he said that “Overall the traffic impacts are wide-ranged, large scale, really non-existent."

Joseph Burgis, Principal of Burgis Associates, on the fiscal impacts. In his presentation, he said that the estimated annual tax revenues would total $1,137,259, the total per capita retail trade expenditure would be $1.47 million and total site development fees would be $1.4 million. 

Check back with Patch for more on the presentations, reactions from the council and the public.
Parsippany Taxpayer September 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM
For as many pro comments that were on here by a select few the only folks that I heard that were for this were a few select union folks although one union person got up to speak and was clearly against it. I could not believe that the mayor would hire consultants with our tax money to offer such biased and incomplete results. He should be fired for a misuse of his power and complete incompetence on the matter... Oh well November elections are arounf the corner and we will be at the polls to vote against those elected officials supporting this blatant inappropriate conduct by our town representatives.
Parsippany Taxpayer September 17, 2013 at 11:18 PM
Kim -- can you not get this matter out to a broader Parsippany audience???
Bob Crawford September 17, 2013 at 11:18 PM
Mark my words Tonight is the night the Waterview project died. No one after listening to the presentations provided by the Administration's experts to the members of the Town Council about the traffic, environmental and fiscal impact of the proposed project could conclude otherwise. Those experts selected by the Barberio Administration (with straight faces) claimed that there would be no adverse traffic impact generated by the construction of big box stores and townhouses; that only 13 children would reside in the 60 planed town houses; that the 500 jobs promised by Mayor Barberio had suddenly shrunk to an estimated 285 low wage paying jobs and that the Master Plan was meant to be changed at the whim of developers rather than respected by our elected officials. And those were only a few of the bombshells that were dropped by the Mayor's own experts on the Council and the public at tonight's meeting.Perhaps most telling were the looks of absolute panic in Mayor Barberio's eyes as he saw his chances of being re-elected disappear and the looks of incredulity on the faces of the Councilmen who realized that they been sold a bill of goods. The actual vote may come at the October 1st Town Council meeting but September 17th will be know as the day Parsippany put Waterview in its rear view mirror. Bye bye Waterview and good riddance Mayor Barberio.
Parsippany Taxpayer September 17, 2013 at 11:28 PM
I second the notion to vote the mayor out --- he couldn't handle the Sandy outage -- no power for 11 days (NJ shore was back up before us) and then drops this bombshell on us in Intervale. Could he be any more out of touch with the citizens of Parsippany? 285 part time retail jobs at the expense of 1.2million+ from immediate lost property values on adjacent streets... Definitely a shake up coming in November as the outcome of this will be fresh on voters minds... Also 3 years of construction traffic followed by round the clock congestion 7 days a week.... Let's put this in the mayor's backyard... That survey guy said the families wouldn't stay in the row homes to school age -- that part was probably true as they would be lucky not to get run over in all those retail packing lots or eaten by the bears in their non existent yards that they stole from the bears..
DXNJ September 18, 2013 at 05:49 AM
Cant they simply put a whole foods where cvs use to be? The foot print seems to be big enough. Not sure where a Target would fit, but whole foods would work in that shopping center even it is kind of run down looking. One would think if Whole Foods wants to be here (I like WF), they would be happy with another location especially one more visible since it is right off 46.
Parsippany Taxpayer September 18, 2013 at 06:36 AM
This really isn't about Whole Foods as the town would like people to believe. This is about converting the land from office to mixed used -- slapping in a strip mall with 3 retail establishments (maybe Whole Foods) and throwing in some 60 townhomes (Parsippany Intervale is a single family home community). Eliminating the established buffers by 75% and depreciating surrounding home values and adding to congestion... Funny as a taxpayer that these officials that supposedly work for us taxpayers clearly couldn't do their homework to hire unbiased firms to present a clear picture but went out and tried to find the most skewed and incomplete reports from some questionable firms. Lots of conflict of interest -- should make for an interesting voting sessions come election time in November for those continuing to support this mess. The amount that the town is spending on this illegal proposal to completely ignore the master plan based on shoddy data of my tax contributions and those of the other taxpayers of Parsippany is completely irresponsible.
g September 18, 2013 at 09:21 AM
The Mayor and planning board uses " the surreptitious method" of government and management.
Pete September 18, 2013 at 09:25 AM
Business as usual, Parsippany-style: Diddle the public along, delay votes, re-schedule or re-locate meetings, and then, when everyone on the opposition side has burned out or lost interest, sneak the thing through. One big question remains: WHO profits from this ? (And as a corollary "To whom are they connected?")
Steve September 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM
Clearly, this company was looking to move out of Madison. Why not Parsippany? WHY NOT? Hmmm, let's see...yeah, I can't see a reason why Parsippany couldn't use an office park more than a Whole Foods... http://easthanover-florhampark.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/zoetis-moving-to-florham-park
Richard September 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM
The alleged tax revenues will never be seen. Township attorney (former Rockaway Twp. mayor) John Ingelsino knows all too well from his experience with the Rockaway Mall. The Mall is always appealing (and winning) their assessment. The township pays fees to its experts and attorney to fight the appeal, and then when the town loses, the assessment is lowered and the developer gets a refund. The homeowner is the taxpayer who ends up paying the refund via higher taxes the following year. No real benefit seen. On top of that, half the police force will spend their time there processing out-of-town shoplifters.
Annie September 18, 2013 at 10:37 AM
One of the things that I find most disconcerting about this whole process is the disrespect displayed by the planning board, town council, counsel for both committees and the Mayor. As I sit in the audience of these meetings I watch the facial gestures, body motions and interactions of the members of these committees. Most look like they would rather be anywhere else, they flip through papers, look at or use their phones, ipads, etc, whisper to each other and so on. They make it obvious they are not really listening to what is being said during the public comment sessions. I realize most of what is being said has been commented on already and repeated, ad nauseam. The reason why the public is restating their opposition is because they feel so strongly about this project as well as the future of this community and because it seems as if their voices are falling on deaf ears. So they will repeat themselves until they believe they are being heard. The committee members were elected by the voters/taxpayers to protect and preserve our community, not only now but also for the future, and to use their positions to represent the people. I can only hope that the committee members put their personal beliefs aside and listen to the people (community) who are expressing where they see the future of Parsippany and the impact this development will have on our community.
Tim Geiger September 18, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Last night's presentation is evidence of how ignorant the Barberio/Ingelsino administration is (along with Councilmen Stanton, Nelson, Ferrara and dePierro), and how stupid THEY think Parsippany taxpayers are to even attempt to put forth and pitch this skewed, fraudulent and underhanded engineering/traffic impact presentation in public. Barberio and gang made FOOLS of themselves. Now it’s time for residents to join forces and VOTE OUT these idiots once and for all.
C Moskal September 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM
I hope moving forward Waterview residents and all Parsippany taxpayers will REMEMBER and work fervently to not only oust this Mayor, but to reject Stanton and dePierro in 2015 for even bringing this nonsense this far. If this Waterview development debacle was able to make it THIS far under the watch Barberio, Inglesino, Stanton and dePierro --EVERY neighborhood in this town is vulnerable to the same antics by these same clowns.
Stacy Chopowitz September 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Mayor Barberio and the council will need to support this project if they want my vote in November. Whole Foods does great things every time they come into a community.
Vic September 18, 2013 at 12:39 PM
@C Moskal, I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you Paul Carifi for being the ONLY councilperson who stood up CONSISTENTLY from the very beginning AGAINST this irresponsible, underhanded project as the other officials drank Barberio’s Kool-Aid. I have such a great respect for you Mr. Carifi. But unfortunately during the June primary elections, the majority of Waterview residents and opponents the Waterview project decided to stay home and not vote out “Mayor-for-sale-to-developers” Barberio and support the person who opposed the project from day one. In November, I hope the residents who showed last night will find time to vote and send the shady Town Hall leader out of office along with the other local officials who support the project soon thereafter when THEY are up for reelection.
Lauri Sampson September 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM
As is often the case, there is a silent majority of people in Parsippany - the only ones that count in this debate - that support the Whole Foods proposal. Mayor Barberio and the Council should keep that in mind and I urge them to vote in favor of the proposal when it comes up again!
g September 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Stacy Chopowitz, exactly what great things does Whole Foods do every time they move into a community?
Tom O'Brien September 18, 2013 at 01:37 PM
I will be there on Oct. 1 supporting this project. I think Parsippany residents should decide if a Whole Foods is right for their town, NOT people from Mountain Lakes.
Robert S September 18, 2013 at 01:49 PM
@ Tom you should have come last night ... RDR was also taking applications for Target warehouse paying $8/Hr. I hope they still have opening by Oct. 1st. or may be already taken by out of town busers! Good Luck!
Pearl200 September 18, 2013 at 02:06 PM
I support this project too as do many of my neighbors. We will be there.
Steve September 18, 2013 at 02:25 PM
Sure you do Pearl...are your neighbors Stacy Chopowitz, Tom O'Brien and Lauri Sampson?
Pearl200 September 18, 2013 at 03:38 PM
Uh no. I have no idea who they are.
Stan L September 18, 2013 at 04:25 PM
I also support this project and Mayor Barberio- like most people in Parsippany http://goo.gl/4oNf4M
Parsippany Taxpayer September 22, 2013 at 07:47 PM
With RDR set to make $15-30MM minimal for this travesty of a project that adversely impacts all of Parsipppany residents it is no wonder that folks that work for RDR set up alias user names to comment on here to make comments supporting this project. 95% of the people at the meeting were against this project... The 5% for this project were local union folks trying to make a quick buck on the short term commercial project (most of the construction will go to outside Parsippany temp workers). Also it is ashamed at how much incentives RDR is providing to the mayor and town council to support this project and hand pick "Biased and controversial, limited one-side biased analysis of this project). On a positive note they will need to create 20+ part time retail jobs to replace the revenues that they are currently getting from my wife and I as when we leave they will lose quite a bit of local tax revenue, local business support and will have some additions to the school system count to factor in those bogus reports... We will not sit in the extra traffic nor 3 years of construction traffic while our housing price falls and our taxes continue to go up... Shame on all the elected officials that aren't doing right by the taxpayers -- especially this mayor who claims to be the kid who grew up here all his life and is selling out his town to RDR and other development projects that are inconsistent with the matter plans... Guess he learned well from 2+ decades of developer corruption on how to play the game of running the town into the ground...
Parsippany Taxpayer September 22, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Parsippany -- The Great Place to Pave.... Or Just another Dover in the making.... Definitely going to Lose the Motto a Great Place to Live after all this crazy approvals despite the master plan in place to elminate set backs, re-zone existing properties that have good balance in a town that already has major traffic issues.


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